[quote=“Sewingchick”]
Will you vote out again if we have another referendum? Petition in favour of a re-run had 3,658,610 signatures, last time I looked.
[/quote] And before anyone starts with the “You remainers are just sore losers. You should just suck it up” the petiotion was started BEFORE THE VOTE by exiters who expe ted to lose and wanted to another go.
And first person to call for a further referendum if result was 53:48? A certain Mr N Farage!
ls there a petition against this petition for a re-run of the referendum.
lts thanks to the 30% of the young electorate who could not get off their backside to go to a polling station and cast their vote that Brexit won. That and the apathetic Jeremy Corbyn - and the Labour supporters who were voting leave to get one over David Cameron.
We are not the only EU country[former EU] that are dissatisfied - Germany and France are also. 60% germans in a poll voted out. Angela Merkel - The original ‘Common Market’ idea was a good one - but power crazy bureaucrats not voted by us - want more and more power. Remind you of someone else who tried this.
Cast Adrift - no not us — Safely anchored in the English Channel and North Sea.
[quote=“Boblatina”] And first person to call for a further referendum if result was 53:48? A certain Mr N Farage! [/quote] Or even 52:48! (Fat MS fingers and phone don’t mix!)
The Ministry of Misinformation
What I find most depressing is not the result, as we will have to live with it whatever our views might be, but the incendiary misinformation during the campaigns for both sides.
I will highlight three main areas:
One: Each household will be £4380 worse off by 2030, peddled by the Remainers. This started off as a claim by George Osborne that GDP would reduce by 6% by 2030, based on speculation by the Treasury. This speculative reduction was divided by the number of households expected by 2030 and, hey presto, the £4380 figure was manufactured. This was not an expected reduction in household income, but used as a dubious way to explain the difference in forecast GDP. However, the Remain camp was quite happy for the headline to be misinterpreted as a reduction in household income, not a reduction in GDP per household.
Two: £350 million pounds per week paid to the EU which could be spent on the NHS. Yes, this figure was debunked early on the campaign but it still stayed on the side of the Boris battlebus. Even after the mythical figure was deconstructed as a manifest lie by greater minds than mine, it still captured the public imagination and Boris et al were happy for it to carry on doing so.
Three: Regaining control of immigration. The backtracking began immediately after the result. At the risk of repeating myself, we already have control over non-EU immigration. Any future arrangement we may have with the EU cannot avoid the issue of free movement of labour between what might be left of the UK and the EU. The EU is unlikely to fail; Germany and France will not allow it. We need access to the Single Market and there will be a price. The price will include an annual fee and the acceptance of free movement of labour, in some form or other.
Should negotiations with the EU fail at the end of the two years, after the Article 50 trigger, they cannot be extended without the full agreement of the remaining EU members. People predict the end of the EU but the demise of the UK seems more likely to me. Scotland will inevitably vote for independence, join the EU adopting both the Euro and Schengen. Northern Ireland will become more febrile with calls for border polls over reunification. We will end up with two land borders with the EU.
Welcome to Bunker Britain.
Yes, let’s all remember that neither of the votes (Leave or Remain) represent the nation as a whole.
The Leave vote was just over a third of the voting population, and the Remain vote a hair less.
The real problem was the total mis-judgement by the Camoron.
He set up a referendum to try to fix UKIP, and forgot to set any conditions about numbers voting etc.
Still, as an ex-PM he is on a nice pension, anyway.
In politics, incompetence still pays off (sorry, what was that Mr Corbyn?)
Geoff
I thought Gisela Bundchen was fantastic. Never seen her before, but see made more sense than Racist Khan or Ruth Davidson. As a mother and grandmother is my new mantra. for everything…
Is that better Anne,didn’t hurt your precious ears, no ?
Adult yes, crying and whining cause my horse didn’t come in…???
But as a typical ‘opposition’ post, missed the main point of the post… Perhaps you should go into politics…
Carraboy, lts just as well they don’t ask for a re-run in a horse race. Can you imagine the ‘best of 3 races’ in the Grand national.
And as a mother and a grandmother - l think l will also use this as my new mantra. lts one that Anne [Widdecombe] can’t use.
Impressed though I am by the power and focus of your argument, I really don’t understand the need for petty personal abuse. Are you angry about something?
And yet you wade in with a patronising, petty one of your own.
I’m fine thank you. Not so much angry, just frustrated those ‘holier than thou’ attitudes and self righteous Bremainers cannot accept a Democratic vote.
Anyone else ?
As a mother and gtrandmother, and funnily enough, I felt sick and disgusted that I actually agreed with Anne Widdecombe…
grandmother
I also am perplexed as to why a democratic country cannot accept the result of a referendum called by its majority leader…even though it has cost him his job.
It bothers me when this forum becomes fractious…we are all too poorly to fall out here. Are we not here to support and care for one another?
Pollx
Hmm. Who was it that said never discuss sex, religion and politics eh?Seems fine if and when we discuss sex on here… 
Carraboy - why do you gave to he nasty? Like Boudicca says. It is not good when this happens on here. We are all fighting this disease. We don’t need to fight one another. As for my precious ears. It wasn’t so much you used bad language. It was the way you did it. You appeared to be shouting and being insulting in manner. That is what I don’t like. A good debate is great. Being slagged of is not. You seem angry and that is not good. Enough said I think.
Completely agree. I think that we should agree to disagree and move on.
I wish the England football team could attack with as much imagination. Oh well, there is always the second half.
Moderator, do you think it is time to close this thread please? Opinions have been stated and I am concerned that newbies, looking for support on MS matters, may be upset by the tone of some of the replies.
Thank you.
Pollx
I want to make it perfectly clear that Iceland won fair and square, and I have no intention of seeking to reverse the result.
Whammel, bet you wish they could run that again, or at least get a third half.