Adrift in the Atlantic without a rudder

The sad fact is they could have played until Christmas and still not got a result. Not that England deserved any better and thought Iceland were terrific.

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It’s amazing to think that most of those guys will be back serving customers and stocking freezers this morning. I’m not sure if the team was from one store or a select from a few stores but fair play to them.

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It’s perfectly logical. This country is blighted by over population. The banks keep house prices artificially high. It’s funny how inflation is a bad thing unless it’s house price inflation, then it becomes a good thing.

House prices need to come down so people can afford to buy. It’s outside the scope of the brexit scenario, but if I ruled the world, or perhaps if I were in politics, I would campaign for second home ownership to be heavily taxed. In fact to incur levies so heavy that corporate investors would go elsewhere in the world to lap up property and free the housing stock. I would like to see house price inflation capped. The only people who make real money from house price inflation are the banks that lend the mortgages and the corporate investors.

The houses being built in our village are not in the first time buyer league…too expensive because we are commutable to London AND near the sea.

Its too late the country is already overpopulated but it has to halt before the bubble bursts. If you had read the rest of my post and taken it in, perhaps you can comment on why the village is expanding but the GP surgery has been threatened with closure if it doesn’t make improvements to its service? Yes…I am not kidding it has been told it must improve or it will be under the threat of closure…logic! Clever eh!

The school isn’t being expanded, they have to make do with what they have…so up go classroom sizes.

And as for losing 26 fire engines…erm?

Why are those illegal immigrants still pillaging the village even though the police are fully aware? Why cant the police take action?

This country is in a mess isn’t it? How are we going to get a grip of it and put it back in order with Brussels ruling us?

Flo

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I have looked at the bigger picture, I just hadn’t talked about the bigger picture. I think the ‘bigger picture’ is grim.

What’s happening to my village is happening all over the country…the country is blighted. It is a shadow of what it once was and what it should be now and predominantly because we joined the common market, we threw away nationalised vital industries. We should have kept the industries nationalised and we should have nationalised the banks.

I mean what country privatises its water? Everything is about money, and because everything is about money we haven’t got any!

Flo

Actually none of the three big three brexiters lied about the £350m and the NHS. I have looked and looked and cannot find nowhere, any of them saying that they WOULD, only should or could…the Brits are a funny bunch if people who are too good at twisting words and adding spin. The truth is rarely told in this country and when it is it it usually causes offence.

Yes Farage did say that didn’t he. But what did David Cameron say it response. Cameron shot himself in the foot by replying that there will not be a second referendum, it’s a referendum not a neverendum.

Of course Cock Sure Cameron assumed the country would vote to stay…he’s got to eat his words now and the result stands. He should not have said it should he?

Flo

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it is a sad situation.

sadder still that a few members of my family voted leave.

my dad and his partner - in their 80’s - have developed horrible racist views since being swamped with bile from the leave crew.

my sister has voted leave because she is financially secure and so thinks the rest of us can go under for all she cares.

if scotland gains independence will they have me?

i will ask ever so nicely.

i don’t like the look of england any more.

so please scotland will you accept me as an immigrant?

i’m no trouble!

i don’t like the bitter feelings i have when i think about this mess.

i need to be in the home of malt whisky where people are solid.

carole x

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Up you come Carole, plenty room up here and a warm welcome. Plus, as an added bonus, we believe in a state owned NHS. Ok, admittedly, we are a dour bunch of scrounging, complaining whingers(according to Daily Mail readers), but we do know how to party.

Gary

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We also have a dire national football team and the dreaded midge.

Mags xx

The Barts Blog considers the consequences of Brexit.

“Since last Friday I have become depressed; I have no energy and I simply finding it hard to get through each day. I simply can’t come to terms with the UK having to leave Europe and the United Kingdom breaking up when Scotland votes to leave. I have started working on an apology for when I meet, and have to speak to, my European colleagues about what happened last Friday. It is now clear that the Brexit vote is nothing short of a calamity for pwMS, the NHS, researchers and for higher education in the UK.”

http://multiple-sclerosis-research.blogspot.com/2016/07/politicalspeak-brexit-and-ms.html

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“brexit vote is a calamity for pwMS” – absolute rubbish - the calamity for people with m.s. is that they’ve got m.s.!

The ‘remainers’ are nothing but poor losers who lost a democratic vote and they should stop assuming the higher moral ground and stop deluding themselves that the ‘leavers’ were misinformed, or confused, or racist.

My reasons for voting to leave - -

some EU countries are moving to the political right - Germany, Austria, France - there is a real possibility that the EU will become dominated by very right wing ideologies - not the best place for the UK.

I don’t think the EU can’t continue as it is for much longer - there is a split between the countries to the west and those to the right of the Union.

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I see the theme has developed since your earlier post in this thread.

“I voted ‘leave’ because I think that had we remained we would be swamped by Europe - a different relationship with the EU will give us more autonomy”

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l did not win the lottery last week - l demand they re- draw it now!! Or l will squeem and squeem.

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I wasn’t being nasty, I was telling it like it is. I cannot help how you perceive an answer, much the same as other people on here come across as self important and all knowing.

The point of the original post was you haven’t given in to m.s, the UK won’t implode with Brexit.

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Steady, you’ll start them off all over again…

In 3…2…1…

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Every time I log onto the forum there are a few more, sometimes reasoned, sometimes not, posts on here.

I think the major problem is that whoever won the referendum, whether it were leave or remain, there would have been close to half the population who voted for the opposing result. Regardless of the result, we (ie the UK as a whole) would have been facing testing times as our relationship with the rest of Europe would have had to be redefined.

It is just not as simple as the people who voted remain having sour grapes because they lost. Or the people who voted leave celebrating as we leave the EU. It is more a problem that the whole country is facing some uncertain times whilst the main political parties face leadership problems, the markets are shooting up & down and we have to find the best way to leave on good economic terms. We as a country are trying to find a way of working out how to move forward without ripping the country apart.

Equally, we, as a group of people with MS, need to remember that this forum is a place of non judgemental support, help, best practice and advice. We surely can have different political views without being unpleasant to one another.

Is it possible that we can stop debating who lost and who won on here?

Sue

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ditto!

pollx

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re previous post about my voting ‘leave’ because of the concern about being part of a Right Wing EU.

In Germany the AfD party is on the rise, (of Polish descent I keep a close eye on what happens in Germany)

Greece has a vociferous right wing party, Switzerland and Sweden have thriving right wing parties, a re-run of the Presidential election in Austria is concerning. Marine le Pen has a lot of support in France.

Whatever party ends up in government in the UK I will at least be able to vote for or against the leaders of that party - can’t say the same about the EU leaders.

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Ditto Sue Anne