On my way. Milk no sugare thanks. Any chance of a biscuit for dunking. ? Night. Anne x
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Not a great prognosis then Doctor but not to worry we have the 52% who voted to leave. They will sort it out for us surely? They will have a plan. They will put the Great back into Great Britain. They will sing Jerusalem again!
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David Cameron gave us the stark choice of either remaining or leaving the EU.
What no one did was question whether ‘leaving’ was a viable option.
Having been a part of the EU for so long I don’t think that making a clean break is a realistic possibility.
What we will end up with is a different partnership/relationship with the EU and I think the leaders of the Leave camp will acknowledge this.
I voted ‘leave’ because I think that had we remained we would be swamped by Europe - a different relationship with the EU will give us more autonomy.
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I can’t believe this is happening. I am so angry. The demographics suggest the older generation voted out, and they will (bluntly) die off sooner, leaving the younger generations (voted in) to cope with theirs and others’ knee jerk reaction to wanting to stick it to Cameron and not seeing the bigger picture. Unbelievable. My poor kids
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People who have voted out on the basis of zero immigration from the EU may be terribly disappointed. Bland statements about getting back control are rather different from a commitment.
Free movement of Labour may not end - Brexit MEP
The appearance of pro-Brexit Tory MEP Daniel Hannan on BBC’s Newsnight on Friday night is causing some indignation.
After Nigel Farage’s admission on Friday morning that the official Leave campaign claim that it could spend money recouped from Europe on the NHS was “a mistake”, Hannan told the BBC that Brexit would not necessarily end free movement of Labour. Newsnight presenter Evan Davis was a bit taken aback, given the core immigration message of the leave campaign:
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The ‘younger generation’ had the opportunity to vote, if they didn’t vote then that’s their fault.
The younger generation are better off living in a country where they can elect or get rid of their leaders. That wouldn’t happen if we had remained in the EU.
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There is another dimension re the whole Scotland position which may not involve another referendum. Yesterday Sturgeon gave a carefully worded statement which contained a lot of clues as to her thoughts for the future. Her initial plan is to try to negotiate a free trade agreement for Scotland ( not every part of Denmark is a member of the EU but free trade is still in place) and then she has the best of both worlds. Also, a lot of commentators seemed to miss the significance of her reference to Scotland and London being overwhelmingly “in”, a situation she has already discussed with the new mayor. It seems her ongoing plan would be, if she can negotiate the continuation of free trade through Scotland, then a lot of businesses and financial institutions can channel a lot of their trade through Scotland which would bring a lot of revenue through the old coffers. Sturgeon is one shrewd cookie and I think she gets it that, at the moment, we are pretty much election and referendum weary up here. Obviously her long term gain is independence but she won’t ask for another vote unless she knows she will win. At the moment two divorces may be just a wee bit too much. So, her plan would seem to be to maximise Scotland’s trade whilst sticking to her long term plan. Might just be do-able.
Gary
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Will Scotland go for Sexit?
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Didn’t people know that £350 million figure was simply a lie (not a mistake)? The politicians in favour of Brexit were asked about it repeatedly. They couldn’t say in answer to those questions that we pay that amount because we don’t. But they still drove around in the bus with the lie emblazoned on the outside.
I think the people who voted leave did so more because of immigration that because of the money we send to Europe. The irony is that immigration will almost certainly fall when our economy tanks, as it almost certainly will when we leave and in the run-up to leaving. It will be a pyyrhic victory for those who wanted out.
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Pyrrhic victory.
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Im in ireland and we are shook and worried with the uk leaving.We have no allie in europe now and the eu will bully us.We need ye to speak up against them.Uk is our biggest trading partner and we will lose 3bn a year now.More worried with losing our free travel and trade agreements but we will work them out with each other.Every uk person here wanted to stay in the eu and their families in england did too.We dont want borders in the north again,it will cause a lot of problems.Talk here is of an irexit.We need the eu,we are broke,our nhs is in ruins.The people have spoken and leave won so its up to the next pm to end it.
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Main topic being asked on goggle what is the EU God help us
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Hey, a sexist might be more stimulating than a brexit. Lol. I think everyone in the uk needs a long break from referendums, elections etc etc ( unless they rerun Thursday). I suppose we got to accept that we are where we are, doesn’t seem any way of getting the sh*t back into the horse now.
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Of course I meant Sexit. Doh!!!
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Im gutted and so worried and have been desperately trying to find a positive from this shock. Ive looked at the reactions from other countries and its a mix of " omg are you mad" to " wow how brave" non of which fill me with confidence. One thing i did wonder was can we call snickers, marathon again?
Jackie
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ps Ive no idea why that posted twice
I think one of the biggest problems with the lead up to the referendum was the sheer volume of information that was being blasted at the electorate. From both sides there was rhetoric, exaggerations and downright fibs. People just didn’t have the will, the inclination, often the education, or the time to sift through all the ballocks that was spouted. Therefore they hung onto such spurious concepts like preventing more immigration into Britain, £350 million per week going to the EU that can be redirected to the NHS, whatever concept made sense to them and fit in with their worldview. And I hold the remain camp just as much to blame as the leave camp for not making it clearer to the people just exactly what leaving and staying meant.
I feel that the majority of people voted with their ‘gut feeling’ and not from a position of informed consideration. And I do include myself in this. We ended up reading the bits in the paper that went along with our general feelings and ignored the opposing opinions. We were too much swamped with bits and pieces of information so ultimately the vote happened through our general ignorance. Those people who genuinely understood all the arguments from both sides and voted from a place of informed understanding were few and far between.
And of course, because my gut feeling was always remain rather that leave, I’m hanging onto the view that what’s happened is a total f’ing disaster for this country and our future. But truly, I’m still just as ignorant as I was before about everything that’s to happen now.
Sue
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why don’t the ‘remainers’ accept that in a democracy they may not get always get the result they want.
why don’t they have a little respect for the ‘leavers’ and accept accept that the ‘leavers’ may not have been misguided but actually thought things through before deciding which way to vote.
why don’t they stop throwing teddy out of the pram.
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Personally, I think voting out is a perfectly legitimate position to take, but when you base that decision on “being swamped” and the out campaign admit that they will not necessarily end free movement of Labour, it seems reasonable to mention it. Watch the Newsnight clip and see what you make of it.
Of course, the East European countries could have remained behind the iron curtain and kept nuclear missiles targeted at the UK, but being in the EU seems more sensible to me.
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I read much of the literature on the issue and tended to ignore what comes out of the mouths of the inners / outers as they only say what they want us to hear.
I made what I felt what was best for my family and I and the business that I work in.
I voted out
Neil
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