Neurologists can't give me a straight answer

Hi all

For the past 2 years I have thought I had MS, this was diagnosed by 2 Neurologists. These Neurologists who definitely diagnosed MS have now left the hospital where I have been treated. 1st neurologist (who has left the hospital) misdiagnosed 6 lesions on my brain and i’ve seen all of my scans. I was told I had 4 lesions when I had 10.

2nd neurologist (who has left the hospital) suggested I see another doctor to see if I qualified for the drug modifying treatment. I went to see this doctor in January I was told “I can’t say you have MS and I can’t say that you have MS as your scans have not arrived from your hospital” I had a blood test and I was told that I would be contacted to see what is going to happen. I waited 3 months and I had to do the phone calls as no-one had told me anything, I was told in March that I didn’t qualify for the treatment.

I went back to my neurologist who said I definitely had MS and I had 10 lesions on my brain and 1 on my spine but he wanted me to have a lumbar puncture.

The new neurologist who I saw today has now told me that I he doesn’t think it’s MS but will do a lumbar puncture to confirm a diagnosis.

I just want to know has anyone else ever had problems like this with getting diagnosed and having that diagnosis retracted?? I feel like I’m getting fobbed off…

Hi,

Did you ever have a letter in black and white, saying you’d been diagnosed with MS? Because if you have been, there should certainly be a paper record. If you didn’t get a copy, your doctor should have, so it may be worth making a GP appointment, to see exactly what’s been said in the past about your diagnosis - i.e. whether it was “MS”, “probable MS”, “possible MS”, or something else.

What the neurologists never seem to explain, which I think is responsible for a lot of the confusion, is that there are strict evidential criteria for an MS diagnosis (called the McDonald Criteria, if you want to research further). These mean a person usually has to have at least two distinct episodes before diagnosis can be confirmed, even if they have the characteristic lesions, as it’s possible to have just a single attack, but never have another, which doesn’t satisfy the “multiple” aspect of muliple sclerosis.

Although I am not unhappy with my diagnostic process overall, this is certainly one aspect that would have benefited from greater clarity, as I had six brain lesions an at least one spinal cord lesion, and my neuro had talked to me about MS - so to my mind, I did have it. So I was baffled when his letter to my GP now appeared to be back-pedalling, not saying I did, in fact, have MS.

What I didn’t know at the time, and have only learnt from sites like this one, and other reputable MS sites, was the “two episodes” thing. It has to be two medically verified episodes, as well - they can’t take into account earlier attacks the patient reports, but which were never clinically investigated (e.g. because, like me, they assumed it was some bug or injury or other, and never bothered going to the doctor).

I’m sure my neuro did believe I’d had earlier episodes, but because neither he nor a colleague had ever directly witnessed them, he wasn’t able to say to a clinical standard of proof. I think this explains how he could be verbally confident I had MS, yet still not able to diagnose formally.

So I do wonder if similar has happened with you: all the signs are there, BUT it’s not known for sure if you’ve ever had more than one episode (it’s not one lesion per episode, so even having multiple lesions doesn’t mean they couldn’t all have been caused by a single attack).

Of course, no neuro would want to diagnose without seeing the pictures anyway, no matter how good or confident he is.

So I think the first step is to find out what your GP believes you’ve been diagnosed with, and take it from there. Even if you have on file a clear diagnosis of MS, it’s not automatic you would qualify for disease modifying drugs, as the usual rule is that you must have had two clinically significant relapses within two years. So again, we get back into this thing about how many attacks you’ve had, and when. If it’s not clear you’ve ever had more than one, let alone two in two years, not only are disease modifying drugs unlikely, but the diagnosis itself is dubious.

Although it’s another thing they don’t tell you, you do not have to have a lumbar puncture in order to be diagnosed - I didn’t. I declined because it’s an invasive procedure AND not always conclusive, so I could have had it, but still been no further forward. If it would have given me a definite yes/no answer, I might have reconsidered, but I wasn’t prepared to go through it with the risk it might not provide any useful evidence (a “normal” result cannot rule out MS). You might want to ask the neuro who’s proposing it what happens if the result is normal - i.e. what will you have gained?

Hope something I’ve said may shed some light,

Tina

Hi Tina Yes I had a letter from the 1st neurologist with a definite diagnosis of MS. The 2 relapses you refer happened before I was diagnosed it was after the 2nd relapse I was told I definitely had MS. It’s kind of confusing and stressful. Fiona

Hello everyone i am a newbie and still suffeing and undiagnosed.

Basically i have suffered with pins and needle episodes all over my body since 2006 they mainly come on if i am in a warm room or car, they are very sharp and awful, my GP thinks i am suffering from anxiety but i have other symptoms like a painful neck, sexual problems and just recentlymy left eyelid feels weak and twitches. I went to a neurologist on a private appointment which cost me £200 for 20 mins just to be told that my pins and needles were there because that is just the way i am wired up! I was disgusted that a neurologist could take my money and say such a ridiculous thing. i will have to try and ask my doctor if i may have an MRI scan on my brain as this would clarify if something is wrong, what do you all think and does my symptoms sound familiar to you? Gerry .

Hey Gerry!

You`ve tagged on to an old post lad!

You`d get more replies if you start a new post yourself.

That neuro sounds rubbish…I think the least he could`ve done was order an MRI.

Pins and needles can be a symptom of all sorts of conditions.

I think once they latch on to the anxiety thingy…they dont always take enough notice.

Yeh, see what your GP says.

Boudsx

Hello Bouds, i do appologise for posting on an old post!

I am a newbie so please bare with me ! I have seen my GP lots of times and it is myself that presents new ideas to him because he cannot think for himself and we wonder how they become doctors eh! I went to a private physio and he wrote to my doctor asking for a Mri on my neck and spine the results were just wear on tear on my neck and lower back discs still damaged but they siad that would not cause sharp prickly sensations all over my body and hands and feet. So when lock down is over i can go back to another doctor and carry on my journey as to what is causing my symptons. Many thanks for the reply. Gerry.

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