many thanks for your reply’s. So pleased it’s resulting in questions. I’m on my iPhone so this is a little harder to respond.
CBD does not relieve PAIN. People may argue with this statement but the facts are this.
CBD has tremendous benefit with inflammatory conditions, it reduces inflammation thus resulting in less pain.
However CBD products in the U.K. are only produced via the HEMP plant, and thus a complete waste of money. As the hemp plant does not contain all the components and terpenes required.
WITH REGARDS To MS…
in 2011 a white paper by David Baker and scientists, from the queen Mary and university of London, examined the biological mechanisms of spasticity and how cannabis provided relief. They concluded…
because of the endocannabinoid system in humans, nuerotransmittion canmabis regulates this this regulates the dysfunctional neurotransmitters that underlies spasticity…
sublingual cannabis method is more effective in treating MS.
I live in Leeds and is quite happy to provide a educational seminar for people if they would like to know more. More in-depth look at cannabis, focusing on FACTS and from a medical perspective. However I can not provide any cannabis products here in the U.K. 1 it’s illegal 2 i would loose my job. Mitch
Hello Mitch, your statement “CBD does not relieve PAIN” is a bit ambiguous. In my experience, THC is a wonderful neuropathic pain-killer and CBD works wonders for getting rid of deep-seated spasticity - which is painful. Yes, THC works as a painkiller but, CBD goes to the source of the problem thereby reducing/eliminating the pain in the first place. I’m 7.5 EDSS and I had only ever used a high-THC strain, but since I started using a high-CBD strain, my flexibility has improved tremendously, I had pain go that I hadn’t realised was there because it became my normal, and my whole body (especially my stomach) has benefited from and appreciated CBD.
Technically, yes, it may not be a painkiller but it’s much better than that because it appears to go to the source and calm the body down.
For me, CBD is a game-changer. I’ll always use a high-THC strain but, there’ll always be a high-CBD strain in use as well.
Yes … the main issue is using them combined, hence most strains on the street are just high THC with minimal CBD, I’m just studying MS now to help me understand the condition better, so any feedback would be useful.
anoth point that must be mentioned is using cannabis with other specific prescription medication can cause problems.
At the moment I’m trying 1000mg (10%) CBD oil, but if I’m honest I’ve not seen any significant improvement in spasticity that justifies the cost of pure CBD oil.
I am due to be assessed for Sativex but as the CBD oil I purchased hasn’t offered any benefit I’m now a bit doubtful that Sativex will be any better ?
However the herbalist that I purchased the CBD oil from, who is apparently highly regarded within the UK for his knowledge in using herbs medicinally, particularly for MS, did say that to get the best results from CBD you also need a THC combination, and therefor suggested that I should speak to my MS clinic to try for Sativex.
His opinion was that Sativex works very well for some MS sufferers, and it’s the combination of THC & CBD within Sativex that will offer better results than CBD by itself, whether this is true or not I dont know ?
If this is the case does it mean that Sativex is made from particular strains from cannabis ?
Hi Jactac CBD oil or the products purchased from suppliers in the U.K. are fundamentally a waste of money, as previously stated. They are produced from the Industrial hemp plant. True CBD products can be of some benefit however the only way is to use a ratio of 1:1 THC and CBD plant. This is used in savitex. So as it stands now savitex is the best legal method to giving the patient CBD and THC in equal quantities.
yes savitex is taken from a strain of cannabis and is a whole plant extract in spray form. It’s far from perfect as it can be slow to work and contain only small amounts. Having said that it’s better than nothing I suppose.
Both compounds are required to get the best results from each compound as they work together. Please let me know how you do. Regards Mitch
many CBD products in the U.K. derived from hemp. “Industrial Hemp” this product is excellent for making over 50,000 products from rope to shoes!!! That’s it.
You may get a placebo effect from taking it. But seriously waste of money. Ask your supplier is this CBD product made from hemp.
If my memory is correct the product will state hemp.
When I first started on the CBD oil I did have this initial sense of feeling a bit better, not so much my MS symptoms (stiffness, spasms), but just felt a bit better within myself, however after 2 or 3 days I just felt my “normal” MS self again.
Its now just over a month since starting the CBD oil and looking back over the last few weeks I haven’t felt any physical difference to what I’ve been over the last 18 months.
Personally I think I might of been experiencing the placebo effect those first few days ?
I regards myself as having a fairly low tolerance to medication, some meds really do hit me for six, even Magnesium supplements give me headaches, so I would of expected to feel some sort of “change” whilst trying the CBD oil, especially as it was a high percentage (10%) compared to some doses.
Hers the manufactures description of contents within the CBD oil I trialled.
Ingredients:
Full spectrum Cannabis oil with 1000mg of CBD per 10ml bottle.
Hemp seed oil.
Rich in terpenes, phytocannabinoids, essential oils found in the Cannabis plant.
Zero THC.
“The nutritional and health promoting value of Cannabis CBD Oil is almost unbelievable. Our CBD is only derived from legal forms of the Cannabis/Hemp plant.”
For what it’s worth, when I started using a high-CBD strain, 1:1.5 ,I tried that on its own and it was fine for everything apart from spasms - my hamstrings, in particular. For this reason I still use a high-THC strain. Cheers
The placebo effect I’ve sen hundreds of times, now high THC is not the best way, you also need CBD from the same plant not a different source, also eating can have a better effect, and will last longer. The temperature used also matters so much.smoking actually is the worst thing you can do to administer it. Using a temp control bud inhaler is the best method. Hence if we can get a few people together I’m more than happy to provide a seminar regarding this then we can go into some detail.
In fairness the Herbalist that I bought my CBD from was very honest and open by confirming that best results come from a combined product such as Sativex.
He could of just sold me the CBD oil stating its the best thing since sliced bread, and not recommended that I enquire about Sativex.
Had a meeting with the Herbalist yesterday as I was going to try another bottle of the CBD oil before I have my appointment with spasticity consultant next week to see if I can get onto Sativex, however, the herbalist basically told me not to waste my money on more CBD oil if I had not felt any significant benefits, he said to push hard for the Sativex, because it’s that combination of THC & CBD that is really needed.
So that’s where I am at the moment in regards to CBD oil, I have none left, I’ve saved £60 and I’m hoping for Sativex.
Herbalist did say to keep him updated, as there are other alternative routes ???
I’m surprised how little even our GPs and pharmacists know about Sativex, or even about their patents.
I just asked my GP and I tried to explain to him. It was a phone consultation. He told me it could only be prescribed to people with certain conditions like MS. When I told him I had MS he said NO you have, something I could not even remember. I told him to check my medical records. He then said OK I have written you a prescription. I then said I think you have to get a special licence to prescribe it. He said well the prescription is written and sent to your pharmacy. I phoned my pharmacist who said yes we stock it and asked me if it was for a dry throat. Anyway I will wait and see what they give me.