Bladder problems, Botox and after

Hello all

I’ve posted before about bladder spasms, overactive bladder, Botox therapy, bladder drugs and so on. It seems like I’m always moaning about my bladder. But today I had a urology appointment with a new doctor as the old one has retired. And what a massive difference.

The doctor said that the urodynamic test I had prior to the Botox didn’t look like a typical neurogenic bladder. I doubt that she would have recommended Botox based on my symptoms and the urodynamic test. The drugs I’ve tried and given up on based on side effects, didn’t actually work for me either.

My symptoms have been what I’ve called (incorrectly I now think) bladder spasms and frequent urge to empty my bladder, even when I’ve just used a catheter. I’ve only ever been incontinent when I’ve had a UTI, which has only been about once a year or so. And I’ve never had a leakage problem.

So the urologist I saw before recommended Botox, and gave me Betmiga meanwhile (which gave me raised liver enzymes). The Botox just made my constant urge to empty my bladder worse. So, I was already using ISC 6 times a day, that’s carried on or increased since the Botox. Most recently I tried Oxybutynin, but that didn’t help either and the side effects made me stop.

So today’s new urologist, does not think its bladder spasms, doesn’t think I’ve got a neurogenic bladder and has recommended a treatment called Cystistat. This is the info from their website: http://www.cystistat.co.uk/patient/what-is-cystistat

"Cystistat® is a clear, colourless liquid for use in the temporary replacement of the bladder lining.

The primary component is sodium hyaluronate, a salt of hyaluronic acid, which occurs naturally in the fluids of the eye, the joints, and in the glycosaminoglycan (GAG) layer of the bladder lining.

This layer - which is deficient in many patients with interstitial cystitis, and other painful bladder conditions - is believed to provide the bladder wall with a protective coating against irritants in the urine."

So it seems that my problem is actually not even necessarily related to MS. It’s the bladder itself that is being irritated by urine. And the Cystistat will protect the bladder wall from the urine. (Assuming it works!) it’s administered once a week for 4 weeks, then monthly after that.

So, hopefully this sorts my problems out. Additionally, it might give those of you with true bladder spasms and / or incontinence more faith that Botox will actually help you. I suspect that my experience with Botox may have bothered some of you who’ve been considering it. But clearly, my problems were not neurogenic in nature and could not have been effectively treated with Botox. I think this was one of those occasions when having MS confused the issue.

Sue

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A very interesting outcome, Sue! No one ever had any idea it hasn’t been caused by MS…just goes to show you that when they say ’ not everything is down to MS’ , it rings true!

I am off to Google it now, as I am curious to know how you’ll be fitted out with a new bladder lining!

Pollx

Interesting read. Off to pm Sue now.

Pollx

Hello Ssssue

Has it worked?

I’ve just had a uro Dynamic test and it looks like I will be getting Botox sometime this year, fingers crossed

Talk soon,

Patrick,

Hi, I’ve been sharing my bladder issues with you for a while now. I really hope this solves it for you. Keep me informed. I’ve to wait until 11th October for urodynamics.

Im ever hopeful.

Eve

My first Cystistat appointment is on 7th October. I’ve been booked in for 6 weekly appointments for the ‘instillation’ (as it’s known). Apparently it becomes more effective as the weeks go by.

I will of course let you all know how it’s going. Never let it be said that I omit to keep the world informed as to how well my bodily functions are going!!

I’ll keep my fingers well and truly X’d for Patrick and Eve, that you get your Botox therapy, and that it works.

In the copy letter from my new urologist, she seems to have virtually said that the diagnosis of neurogenic bladder was completely incorrect. I don’t think she’s able to directly criticise her predecessor but reading between the lines that is her inclination. She just says something along the lines of “hopefully the Botox will wear off soon”. This is because she has accepted that not only was the Botox not able to help my symptoms, it’s actually made them worse.

All I am hoping is that the Cystistat is the correct treatment and that doesn’t further compound my problems!

Sue

Sue, so what do you think caused your bladder to lose it`s lining?

pollx

Don’t know. There’s a thing called interstitial cystitis, could be that? I suspect that catheter use doesn’t help. I’ve tried swapping catheter types in the past because I wondered if it was causing a problem, then swapped back when it made no difference.

But clearly, it’s not directly MS related.

Sue

ok.

ta.

pollx