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Bee stings

I just watched a film on the horror channel called KILLER BEES.

African killer bees invaded a town in southern US. It gets interesting.

A female bee-ologist was the heroin but she had a problem, she had multiple sclerosis. She volunteered to enter a bar where the bees were keeping people captive. She had to be the one to go in because she said 'I have nothing to lose and my immune system is twenty times stronger than other people’s I can cope with the bee stings. Then she said ‘the stings might put the MS into remission’.

I was glued.

There we have it, our immune systems are 20 times stronger. Bee stings put MS into remission. I’m off to tell my neurologist the good news!

I’m off to start a hive immedately!!

AV/Nia.

Bee venom therapy has been discussed on the forum in the past.

The patient receives up to 40 bee stings per session; so it’s painful, and some could suffer a fatal allergic reaction.

The MS Trust have a page on the subject: https://www.mstrust.org.uk/a-z/bee-venom-therapy

I won’t be trying it.

Ben

This is about a treatment I have taken for some 34 years that you may want to tell other members about; it is a very long story.

This is NOT anything to do with Bee Venom but I presume the reaction is similar.

I did a presentation to John Simkins of ARMS back in about 1983; but they decided not to pursue the idea.

First I will copy something I wrote about 25 years ago.

Multiple Sclerosis (MS), cause and cure unknown. It is no wonder anyone in this position leans heavily on recognised medicine but tinkers with alternative therapies as they may give the sufferer something the Medical Profession cannot give them.

I am not advocating a sufferer should try any alternative remedy, which would be silly as there are many charlatans. I want to state facts regarding a treatment that others and I use, as I was diagnosed with MS in 1973 and have been taking a treatment using the venoms of three snakes since 1982.

I had such good, beneficial results, I decided this treatment should not dwindle and die but be made available for other sufferers, especially in the UK. In 1985 I obtained the dry freeze fractionated venom of these three snakes, the Cobra, Krait and Pit Viper. A friend, who was a biochemist, diluted this substance with saline solution and a Dr. Mount administered this drug we called (name taken out against rules) to thirty patients.

Not all these patients, friends, suffered from MS. One had Peripheral Neuritis, another suffered from a complaint called Sclorederma, one other suffered from Motor Neurone Disease (MND). I had no idea what the results would be on their particular complaint. I knew that this treatment alleviated tiredness, spasms, helped bladder control and stopped extremes of weather making the person feel like a wet rag. (Taken out) had no side effects that made the patient feel like a zombie? Could this substance also help these other complaints? I felt nobody should be refused; if medical reasons made it possible to try.

This was not a trial; nobody was given a fake substance as a placebo, a control, all received (Taken out). After four months the patients were categorised by Dr Mount on a scale of 1 to 4, one being excellent, two good, three average, four no results. The results, we felt, were a little disappointing with 33% of patients evaluated on one and two, 66% of patients were on 3 and 4.

A controlled trial lasting anything from six months to three years seems to be the only way to evaluate a drug at present. I am sceptical at this procedure with this treatment as there are reactions, mild, to introducing Toxins into the body and any substance given as a placebo to mimic the (Taken out) is not really a placebo. Still this is a point that I am sure could be overcome.

Where does this leave (Taken out), which has never had any controlled trial, has better results, does not have side effects and costs only £50 per patient; per year? In ten years time when there are many more sufferers, some brilliant researcher will find a fraction of snake venom that has beneficial results on the disease process. They will be given the Nobel Prize, a good job and pat on the back.

Do I sound bitter, yes I am? The one person who knows more about this substance than anyone is a 92-year-old man called Bill Haast. He is my mentor, has given me twenty more good useful years. No matter how much I want him to be here in another 100 years, even venom will not make him, all his vast experience will be lost.

After twenty years the people who still take this treatment do not do so because someone say’s it will do them good, a placebo. We continue to take it because we have proved, if only to ourselves, it does have beneficial results.

I have no control whatsoever and have not mentioned this treatment to anyone for over 10 years.

The snake is always been regarded as a symbol of evil. Why are two snakes coiled around a pole used as the medical symbol of the World? A question for Christians, could someone explain the writings in the Bible, Mark, Chapter16, Verse 18. I know the Bible is very ambiguous, means different thing to different people, but it does seem a strange thing for Jesus to say after rising from the grave, ‘They shall take up serpents, and any deadly thing will not harm them’?

Newton’s Law of motion is ‘every action has an equal and opposite reaction’. If you think a hot cup of tea actually cools you; X-rays can cause cancer, they are used also to treat cancer; Aspirin is used to bring temperature down but an overdose causes pyrexia. The same philosophy applies to this treatment, you are given a small amount; 1 part venom to 4000 saline, of a natural toxic substance that builds up your own immune structure.

I know your thinking – ‘What is the intention of this note’. I would like someone, with medical knowledge to instigate real trials into this substance or fraction of this substance?

Venoms are used for many complaints already, are we to wait? The answer could be found before the cause, so let us look for the answer!

I’m sorry this is such a long message but I must tell you about the latest. We were running out of supplies and America was not going to supply us anymore. A girl, I’ll call her Lesley; because that’s her name ran out at the end of November. About this time I heard of a place in Germany that could supply nearly the same. I say nearly as it’s not the venom of the Pit Viper, it’s replaced by the venom of the Rattle Snake.

To cut a very long story short Lesley came off and by Christmas she was feeling unwell and falling asleep at the drop of a hat. Remember this is the first time she has felt like this in ten years. She was still mobile; her husband rang me and was very upset. We eventually received supplies from Rotterdam, I told you I was cutting a long story short, and she started immediately. This would be about the middle of February. I was a little afraid to ring Les fearing the worst, was it going to work? She rang me two weeks ago and I couldn’t get a word in, she’s over the moon and fighting fit.

Her husbands so pleased he’s taking her to Moscow to see the Bolshoi Ballet as a treat.

I must apologise to you or anyone reading this story. I’m not saying I’m on it, Les is on it, tough on everyone else, I’m saying the possibilities are there but until medical organisations get off their high horse and stop pooh-pooing this treatment as voodoo medicine there will be a lot more ill people, Just prove me wrong?

Sorry it’s so long, believe me this is a very brief resume.

George

Before people say what a load of Cobras look at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16817641?dopt=Abstract or http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=snake+venom+for+MS#result_action_bar

I wrote this about 25 years ago; Bill Haast has since died; 106 years old

Lesley and I still take our venom 34 years now.

George

Yes, it’s the good old Snake Venom I have been on for 34 years. First question are they ripping me off; it costs me about £60 for 5 years; yes, that was not a typo 5 years supply. I say ‘about’ as me and the only other person I know on this treatment; a girl named Lesly share our supplies and it costs £120 for supplies that last between 4-5 years.

Yes, don’t deny it probably has placebo tied up in there; but who’s worried, placebo effect is an ingredient of every drug. I do not have ‘Brain Fog,’ get rid of that and you can lead a life.

I am NOT recommending, it is entirely your decision. DO NOT come off your DMD especially if you get some benefit from them. If you take STEROIDS they seem to negate each other; so pointless.

Good luck to all, medical science will find an answer soon.

George

The website for this treatment is http://www.chiropraktik-dresden.de/cms/horvi-enzym-therapie

I do suggest you watch http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01f51s5

George