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Bee Venom Therapy

Afternoon

Does anyone have any experience of Bee Venom Therapy ?
I didn’t even know it existed until Tuesday 9th May, so i have started to do a little bit of research.
You gotta love Google, and Bees.
The following is a cut / paste of a mail i have recently sent to a few Beekeepers, which will save me typing it all out again.

So, does anyone on this Forum have an experience of BVT ?
For me it was a ‘Wow’.
my son reckons it’s some kind of Spider Man episode :slight_smile:
Would be great to hear from you :slight_smile:

Thanks for reading
Mark

Mark

i now of at least one member of here who has experience of this. He posts regularly so will hopefully see this.

all the best

neil

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I can’t imagine any committed beekeeper endorsing this, even if they believed there was some truth in it, because wouldn’t the bees used all die?

Our bee population is already in crisis. I’d be very surprised if you got any encouragement from people trying to protect and conserve them.

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A previous thread on this forum about it:

Another one that I have read about is snake venum therapy.

Moyna x

It probably increases the Histamine levels in the body due to the reaction in the immune system after the bee sting. I take a histamine tablet (Beta-Histine) and it knocks my vertigo down to acceptable levels.

I’m talking about Snake Venom that I have been taking since 1982 and in my mind it’s kept me alive and given me a great quality of life.

Bee Venom I believe is similar but SV is diluted; 1 part venom to 4000 saline and given by subcutaneous injection. BV is given by about 15 bees in a glass jar with the open end held on the skin so they can sting.

First I would highly recommend you watch Dr Mosley’s programme on Poisons pain pus and poison episode 3 - Google Search

Very interesting; takes you from the least known poison Water (surprised me too) to Botox; the most highly known poison to man.

This is a reply to someone on here many years ago.

Multiple Sclerosis (MS), cause and cure unknown. It is no wonder anyone in this position leans heavily on recognised medicine but tinkers with alternative therapies as they may give the sufferer something the Medical Profession cannot give them.

I am not advocating a sufferer should try any alternative remedy, which would be silly as there are many charlatans. I want to state facts regarding a treatment that others and I use, as I was diagnosed with MS in 1973 and have been taking a treatment using the venoms of three snakes since 1982.

I had such good, beneficial results, I decided this treatment should not dwindle and die but be made available for other sufferers, especially in the UK. In 1985 I obtained the dry freeze fractionated venom of these three snakes, the Cobra, Krait and Pit Viper. A friend, who was a biochemist, diluted this substance with saline solution and a Dr. Mount administered this drug we called (name taken out against rules) to thirty patients.

Not all these patients, friends, suffered from MS. One had Peripheral Neuritis, another suffered from a complaint called Sclorederma, one other suffered from Motor Neurone Disease (MND). I had no idea what the results would be on their particular complaint. I knew that this treatment alleviated tiredness, spasms, helped bladder control and stopped extremes of weather making the person feel like a wet rag. (Taken out) had no side effects that made the patient feel like a zombie? Could this substance also help these other complaints? I felt nobody should be refused; if medical reasons made it possible to try.

This was not a trial; nobody was given a fake substance as a placebo, a control, all received (Taken out). After four months the patients were categorised by Dr Mount on a scale of 1 to 4, one being excellent, two good, three average, four no results. The results, we felt, were a little disappointing with 33% of patients evaluated on one and two, 66% of patients were on 3 and 4.

A controlled trial lasting anything from six months to three years seems to be the only way to evaluate a drug at present. I am sceptical at this procedure with this treatment as there are reactions, mild, to introducing Toxins into the body and any substance given as a placebo to mimic the (Taken out) is not really a placebo. Still this is a point that I am sure could be overcome.

Where does this leave (Taken out), which has never had any controlled trial, has better results, does not have side effects and costs only £50 per patient; per year? In ten years time when there are many more sufferers, some brilliant researcher will find a fraction of snake venom that has beneficial results on the disease process. They will be given the Nobel Prize, a good job and pat on the back.

Do I sound bitter, yes I am? The one person who knows more about this substance than anyone is a 92-year-old man called Bill Haast. He is my mentor, has given me twenty more good useful years. No matter how much I want him to be here in another 100 years, even venom will not make him, all his vast experience will be lost.

After twenty years the people who still take this treatment do not do so because someone say’s it will do them good, a placebo. We continue to take it because we have proved, if only to ourselves, it does have beneficial results.

I have no control whatsoever and have not mentioned this treatment to anyone for over 10 years.

The snake is always been regarded as a symbol of evil. Why are two snakes coiled around a pole used as the medical symbol of the World? A question for Christians, could someone explain the writings in the Bible, Mark, Chapter16, Verse 18. I know the Bible is very ambiguous, means different thing to different people, but it does seem a strange thing for Jesus to say after rising from the grave, ‘They shall take up serpents, and any deadly thing will not harm them’?

Newton’s Law of motion is ‘every action has an equal and opposite reaction’. If you think a hot cup of tea actually cools you; X-rays can cause cancer, they are used also to treat cancer; Aspirin is used to bring temperature down but an overdose causes pyrexia. The same philosophy applies to this treatment, you are given a small amount; 1 part venom to 4000 saline, of a natural toxic substance that builds up your own immune structure.

I know your thinking – ‘What is the intention of this note’. I would like someone, with medical knowledge to instigate real trials into this substance or fraction of this substance?

Venoms are used for many complaints already, are we to wait? The answer could be found before the cause, so let us look for the answer!

I’m sorry this is such a long message but I must tell you about the latest. We were running out of supplies and America was not going to supply us anymore. One of the other girls, I’ll call her Lesley; because that’s her name ran out at the end of November. About this time I heard of a place in Germany that could supply nearly the same. I say nearly as it’s not the venom of the Pit Viper, it’s replaced by the venom of the Rattle Snake.

To cut a very long story short Lesley came off and by Christmas she was feeling unwell and falling asleep at the drop of a hat. Remember this is the first time she has felt like this in twenty years. She was still mobile; her husband rang me and was very upset. We eventually received supplies from Rotterdam, I told you I was cutting a long story short, and she started immediately. This would be about the middle of February. I was a little afraid to ring Les fearing the worst, was it going to work? She rang me two weeks ago and I couldn’t get a word in, she’s over the moon and fighting fit.

Her husbands so pleased he’s taking her to Moscow to see the Bolshoi Ballet as a treat.

I must apologise to you or anyone reading this story. I’m not saying I’m on it, Les is on it, tough on everyone else, I’m saying the possibilities are there but until medical organisations get off their high horse and stop pooh-pooing this treatment as voodoo medicine there will be a lot more ill people, Just prove me wrong?

Sorry it’s so long, believe me this is a very brief resume.

George

Before people say what a load of Cobras look at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16817641?dopt=Abstract

I wrote this about 20 years ago; Bill Haast has since died; 106 years old

Lesley and I still take our venom 30 years now.

Just to give you the other sides view here is a reply I received many years ago from Prince Charles Equiry.

Loads more I could say but you could be one of the one’s venom does effect.

Good luck.

George

Many thanks all, I’ll check each one.

George, I’m going to have a really good read of your feedback tonight.
I find the whole subject fascinating. If there is a natural substance, even better.
I don’t care how ridiculous any potential cure sounds, I’m going to look into it.
I haven’t suffered with the symptoms of MS for that long in reality, but I did see how it affected my Dad over a period of 15 years, so I know only to well what it can do.
I’m prepared to try anything :slight_smile:

It’s all good news, so will check into the snake venom too. I may drop you a message on the subject, if you don’t mind.
I couldn’t read the Prince Charles part. I doesn’t show up on my PC ?

Thanks again
Mark

Bee Venom Therapy - Day 1

Took the plunge, and ordered some Bee Venom Pellets from the States.

Yes, it’s a risk ordering items off the net, but we’ll see.
At $27 for 90 Pellets, a couple of containers should last a month.

I’m sure it won’t be as effective as the real thing, but it’s worth a punt

I’m keeping a log of events, so I’ll let you know :slight_smile:

Mark