MS Cause - Salicylic Acid?

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ok, i have rrMS like a majority of other ms victims but why?

MS has been prevalent for over a hundred years and still science has no cause determined as yet but has plenty of theories and drugs based on disease modification (for a disease that is not even fully understood).

Lets start with fact:

3/4 of MS is in females

Environmental conditions effect ms … hot = less, cold = less, moderate = more.

Average ms diagnosis is 29 years old.

Maybe the way towards a cure is to understand how MS happens.

I strongly belive MS is a condition where certain people can not process “salicylic acid” also known as “beta hydroxyl acid” without having their immune system go crazy via MS (anti-myelin).

see Salicylic acid - Wikipedia

Unfortunately this acid is commonly (over) used as a food preservative, face cream, acne cure, verruca cure, suntan lotion, water treatment, cosmetic, etc etc.

Women are subjected to above 3/4 more MS than men hence the majority of sufferers being women. (who use salicytes most)

In hot & cold countries (lower population) we sweat and shower more, we get fresher food (less preserved) and we use more bottled water. Remember that hot and cold countries = less MS.

I hope that some science whiz out there can see my observations and check it out further, i’m just an average man who has rrMS and wants to see a fix made. 100+ years wasted so far so lets get started on that fix.

*rrMS is “relapsing remitting Multiple sclerosis” incase I confused anybody

I’d like to read your comments: I developed my MS after my 1st application of “bazooka verruca gel” aged 29. what triggered yours? was is salicylic acid based like mine? I take “Gileyna” currently which is a disease modifying therapy.

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The Epson Barr Virus seems to be a hot favourite in being involved. 100% of MS patients test positive for having it in the past. Yet 95% of non ms-ers test positive too. Therefore EBV must be one piece of the jigsaw but there must be others. EBV effects both male and female jointly I suspect. Hormones must play a part too as MS sometimes presents itself after a woman gives birth when hormones are all over the place.

Moyna xxx

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good luck with posting your theory on bart’s blog spot.

hope some researcher picks it up.

carole x

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Like some others here, I would like to see what Barts think of your idea.

Personally, I think you are way off.

You have the geographic distribution more than a bit wrong. See:
Salicylic acid - Wikipedia.
Now consider that there is a high prevalence in Sweden (cold), and as is pointed out below, in Iran (hot).

If you want something to get really worked up about, read
http://msj.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/04/20/1352458511402112.abstract
and ask why the incidence has dropped since the American forces moved out at the end of the cold war.
Then read Kurtzke’s paper:
http://www.direct-ms.org/sites/default/files/Kurtzke.pdf
and note his theory that it was introduced to the Faroes by the British forces.

The fact that you developed MS after using one particular cream with salicylic acid as a component proves exactly nothing. Any god historian will tell you that “Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc” (after the event therefore because of it) is probably the most commonly made mistake in their profession.

If you read the Wikipedia article that you quoted, you will see that salicylic acid has also got some anti-cancer and anti-diabetic properties. Yes, we would all like to see a cure for MS. We would all like to know how it starts. However, If you want to criticise something, pick on the researchers etc who are totally committed to the"immune system defect" notion and will not consider any others. If you read the Barts blog regularly, or will spend some time going back through it, you will see that Prof. Giovannoni is not only willing to consider new ideas, but he is also willing to say what made him look at them.

Yes, do try your idea on the Barts blog - just do not be surprised if it gets attacked quite savagely.

Geoff

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Sorry but I’m struggling to get my head round this…no surprise there then!

Surely Salicylic acid would have to be used in high doses to be the cause of MS?

Good luck anyway

X

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I spent about 5 years thinking EBV may play a role but after researching it, it led to the nowhere as EPV has no obvious cause either that i could find.

Do they know what causes EBV by the way?

With almost everyone having it despite MS or not, I concluded that i’d be looking forever to find any link.

The hormones link is more solid as vitamin D deficiency is very common in MSers but also in most other people. When I boost my “D3” levels I appear to feel a lot better. D3 is a pseudo hormone by the way and has many links to MS.

Drs use it to boost MS patients.

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I used to hot / cold idea to be a bit too general.

I should of said people who bother with products containing SSA (Salicylic Acid) are at higher risk of MS potentially IMHO.

The Eskimos and Navaho Indians have 0% MS - Hot and Cold … not using SSA either.

Someone in cold Sweden is likely to be using SSA since before birth without noticing it in food/medicine/lotions/sanitation.

I don’t want to bash SSA but i’d like to see if any link can be found.

Try looking on the map: http://www.spinalcord.org/multiple-sclerosis-on-the-map-whos-at-risk/

Notice how shoppers get it more than the starving. Think about preservatives and medicines/skin care/sun tan lotion.

I will post to BARTS and hope that someone medical shows interest.

Your point about Egypt and the forces causing an increase in MS kind of shows my theory… Adding American SSA in medicine/food/lotions added MS to new areas and people. Once they left the MS dropped. (as the products left too)

MS isn’t contagious but the environmental factors causing it can be induced by those American troops (unknowingly).

There are many more example of MS introduced to colonies by troops.

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Hi Spr0g

I’m allergic to salicylates and this only started after i was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and then MS. The neuro rubbished my fibro dx and said it was MS all along.

I took my first anaphylactic shock whilst driving up the M6 (not an ideal place when your hands are swelling like catcher’s mitts!!) and it was due to taking diclofenac tablets. My body had decided that i now couldn’t tolerate aspirin even though i had been taking them for 3 years.

I have both a chemical and a food intolerance to sals and have frequent anaphylactic shocks as my body adds something new to my allergic list - i.e. Tetley tea bags. I carry an epipen at all times. I have to plan all my meals so that i don’t over do the sals in one go - i can take a little with out going into full anaphylaxis. I also have permanent hives which could be in relation to the sals or just because my immune system is compromised.

There is a strong correlation with fibro and sals but not that much with MS. This makes me believe that i do in fact have fibro and MS; apparently in the States they say you can have both.

Obviously you will have looked at the excellent sals protocols and web sites detailing all the products containing sals.

Pea

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Um if I remember my A-Level biology correctly Salicylic is present in all plants, you can’t avoid it in your diet. If it is a factor in MS it’s an unavoidable one.

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More thought provoking. l do like it when someone thinks outside of the box. l am in complete agreement with DoctorGeoff - l do not think a cure - or even a reason why- we have MS will come about all the time they are so determined it is auto-immune. Time for a change.

Recently, it was thought that aspirin helps with MS symptoms - its anti-inflammatory - and helped with the ‘blood/brain’ theory.

l have a friend who is allergic to aspirin - and also aspartame - and some E numbers. She finds it very difficult with prescribed meds - especially antibiotics as they all seem to have a coating with something she is allergic to.

lts good to get our grey matter working - mustn’t be complacent.

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This made me laugh, going by the same logic I developed MS (same day) after meeting Juliette Lewis for the first time. By the same logic she triggered my MS.

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It makes me laugh too if read in the same way. I see what you mean.

I try to avoid Salicylic’s where possible for the past 7 years and have noticed massive reduction in relapses.

Its like mission impossible as they are in most things. I guess we could ignore this fact and hope each day will be a good one. I prefer to try being active. I have noticed hidden yet avoidable salicytes in the following products so far:

Talc, Dried fruit, Cereal, Sun tan lotion, skin creams, shampoo and dried meat. ( read labels and pick alternatives)

heres info about the gel: http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2012/03/start/film-for-your-feet

I was diagnosed at 29 years and relapsed each year until aged 34 and MRI showed worsening scars.

I started to dodge Salicylic acid at 35 and brain scars reduced slightly on MRI scan, I begged Dr to put me on Gelenya (fingolimod) after a year of capaxone which was useless for me, and the scars are unchanged/no bigger for from 35 to 42 (Today).

1 relapse between ages 35 and 42. just eye issue for a week. I still have bad arm and leg from previous relapse at 32 and 34.

My MS appears to be on pause which I believe is due to reduced salicylic’s and the Gelenya (disease modifying therapy drug).

I’d love to just prove me idea by just going drugless and having zero SSA but that is almost impossible as they are classed as safe and used in everything.

The auto immune system has to be mistaken over something for MS to exist, in my eyes its the impact of SSA that starts the ball rolling. If this could be proven then some cure may be possible.

Looking at the structure of the atomic compound beta-hydroxyl acid I noticed that one of the atoms is a vacant space, this is interchangeable with other atoms that are near to it which alters this compound into another one.

I will try find the link to it as im finding it hard to explain, bare with me. got to Google “beta-hydroxyl structure”.

I also try to balance the bad beta with possibly good alpha-hydroxyl acid in lemons and limes and take d3 supplement pills.

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ZVZ (chickenpox) Epstein Barr and vitamin D have a part to play. So does the Viking connection (Google it, it’s well known)

I think the female-male ratio is overplayed. Men are less likely to seek help. Woman are more affected, but I fear there are a lot more men out there not diagnosed.

Modern DMDs are antioxidant and this seems to have an affect, which could mean the oxidation in the body plays a role in the disease.

The reports of foodstuffs, environmental pollution or additives are so ill-founded. We’re talking about a disease that strikes comparatively few people who live amongst other non-affected populations with the same diet and environmental exposures.

If you were to infect a person with ZVZ, Epstein Barr and keep their vitamin D low, I would be very surprised if they went on to develop MS as a consequence. I think genetic predisposition is more likely and biological/environmental effects (sunlight, etc) trigger it in a body that was waiting for those criteria to be satisfied.

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here ya go! bang on!

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I agree with you a lot except it may be that its a genetic quirk in a chosen few (MS people) to deal with Salycylic Acid which may trigger MS.

I still think men will see a Dr if they have MS symptoms as often as women would. - especially when hard to work/drive/see or walk.

One poster on this forum has allergic reactions to SA and has to carry en epi-pen but many others do not, MS ready people just get demyelination which causes all the various symptoms of our disease.

My DMD has no antioxidants it is mushroom(fungus) based and closes the lymph nodes to stop delivery of the immune systems wrong cure which would accidently remove the myelin i have. see: fingolimod - Fingolimod - Wikipedia

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I’m sorry to say, but you’re way off here.

It’s not ‘fungus based’. A chemical contained in a fungus was structure studied in order to produce a synthetic isomer of it.

Also, it’s thought to work (not fully known) as it has immunosuppresant properties. In the same way as Tecfid.

I haven’t mentioned anything about salycylic acid as it seems quite far fetched. It has a very similar configuration to acetylsalicylic acid, which is aspirin, and anti-inflammatory. I think it’s one of these things like aspartame. We would like to find something hidden in plain sight, but in fact it’s more complex than that, and we should be wary of blaming products so thoroughly tested and approved for common use.

I worked for the NHS/NES for years and can assure you that men, on general, will not seek help in the same numbers of women. 20% of MS is optic neuritis as a diagnosis condition, most people are diagnosed with tingling, pins and needles, etc, which tend to remit after 3 weeks - 2 months.

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i found this on a site: http://www.spinalcord.org/multiple-sclerosis-on-the-map-whos-at-risk/

Population studies have also been performed that demonstrate difference in susceptibility to MS.

Some studies have shown that Lapps in Scandinavia seem to be resistant to the disease, despite expectations based on their geographic location. And Native Americans and Hutterites very infrequently suffer from MS, as opposed to other residents of North America (Multiple Sclerosis: Epidemiology and Prevalence).

MS is also uncommon in Japan, China and South America. It is practically unknown among the indigenous people of equatorial Africa and among native Inuit in Alaska. When the racial differences are correlated, White populations are at greater risk than Asian or African populations (Multiple Sclerosis: Epidemiology and Prevalence).

Now put on your SA caps and please consider my theory; think about

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It also happens to perfectly fit in to Viking invasions and their subsequent colonies and dependencies.

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ok, i’m just an average guy as said in post #1

i didn’t explain that drug which is from a synthesised chemical based on an isomer from a fungus “is not fungus based” (apparently)

I just wanted to seek advise from the forum, i simply type to get input and share ideas about SA

i appreciate the information, i didn’t know that men (with MS) are less likely to report it to a Dr.

its too easy to get off course with these things i’m noticing. Sorry if I made mistakes as i’m new to forums, this is attempt 1.

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true db9355

that could explain the genes which some people have in them to be triggered.

just have to find the trigger now