heres is another Website: http://fedup.com.au/factsheets/additive-and-natural-chemical-factsheets/salicylates
it explains how supermarket life = lots of SA in your life for most.
its a lot of reading but if you can manage it all you may get my theory a little more.
SALICYLIC ACID is a natural plant hormone, its used by them as the immune defence system. (SAR)
Humans use it on cosmetics/medication for burning off acne and also we eat it as an added preservative, its naturally higher in over-ripe fruit & veg too. Used at different %proof decides either to burn or preserve.
It causes plants to inflame if attacked by infection or insect, causing a thickening of skin in hormonal response to danger.
This feature is exploited in Tobacco plantations, they add infection to make SA cause plants to thicken then pick these bigger and heavier tobacco plants (up to triple crop size).
Human hormones like testosterone, estrogens & growth HGH are steroids compatible and similar to plant steroids in many ways (often exploited at the gym).
Lipids and fats are used to make myelin (cerebroside). Fats add and store fuel/nutrients since conception for quick access on demand.
Myelin protects nerves and makes our brain tissue. Fats and lipids are classed in the same biochemical category.
FDA or whoever approves SA, it as safe in moderation. Since then we use it to everything which adds to our absorption.
Its used naturally in fruit and veg, its supplemented in preservatives and cosmetics/medicines/treatments.
although designed to inflame and thicken plants skin, aspirin is extracted from it.
overdose causes MS type symptoms.
References:
Salicylic Acid (SA) - Salicylic acid - Wikipedia
SA plant protection - Salicylic Acid, a multifaceted hormone to combat disease - PubMed
Myelin - Characteristic Composition of Myelin - Basic Neurochemistry - NCBI Bookshelf
Overdose/Poisoning - Salicylate Poisoning. Causes of salicylate poisoning; aspirin info | Patient
and http://fedup.com.au/factsheets/additive-and-natural-chemical-factsheets/salicylates
and Some Acne Products Can Trigger Severe Allergic Reactions: FDA – WebMD
Aspirin - http://www.drugs.com/aspirin.html
Human hormones - http://www.ehow.com/about_6319403_chemical-structure-estrogen.html
SAR - Systemic Acquired Resistance - PMC
please let me know if i’m wrong with anything stated above… its some stuff I’ve chewed over for the past 10 years so pour a drink and chow down and digest it all.
Although no connection to Salicylic Acid - l would like to say - that many years ago when l was first diagnosed [33yrs] l read that during post-mortem examinations - it was discovered that many ‘bodies’ were found to have MS - undiagnosed. And their disability problems were treated as stroke/arthritis etc. l have wondered what tests they did to enable MS to show up.
Did anyone else read this?
More food for thought when ‘we chow down and digest it all.’ [Quote]
It’s a bit of a yucky answer if you’re squeamish, but I’m afraid they dissected the brains. The lesions are then apparent.
following from spacejackets post -
I’m sure a lot of people were (still are?) mis-diagnosed. I wonder how many people were (still are? - hopefully not) patients in a mental hospital their physical m s problems being labelled as being ‘all in the mind’
Heard recently of someone who had spent months in a mental hospital dx’d with neurasthenia - whatever that is - by chance she commented that her leg kept giving way and shortly afterwards she was discharged with a dx of m.s.
Interesting.
i’m currently researching the hormone link, more specifically low progesterone. Oestrogen dominance can cause a whole host of problems, including triggering autoimmune problems. It’s also difficult to test for because hormone levels fluctuate so much, but oestrogen dominance can be caused by pollution and oestrogens in the water supply from women taking the pill and HRT. It effects men as well.
It’s more plausable for me because I started with MS after my first pregnancy. There’s loads on the internet about it.
Heather
I also read that MSers often have high oestrogen both men and women. Soya products I think I remember reading have oestrogens. Water especially London water as it’s recycled so many times and the traces of the pill and other drugs in the water. Other areas the water may contain a high amount of natural underground spring water.
Plastics such as plastic water bottles leaking chemicals.
Some foods with levels of SSA in them, there’s no way you could avoid this chemical, occurs naturally in too many things.
just adding to post #29
hormones appear to be effected by MS, relapses get triggered by stress and worry. Childbirth (hormone city) can relieve MS i hear too.
Be good to have a study showing the effect SA has on human hormones. Marijuana helps i hear too but think that is more due to zone out than chemical benefit. Remember Vitamin D3 (which MSers lack) is a pseudo hormone too. Its made via sun and cholesterol.
I hope people took the time to read the reference sites on #29 as they back up the post a lot. I’d like to discuss them.
Krakowian wrote:
“I wonder how many people were (still are? - hopefully not) patients in a mental hospital their physical m s problems being labelled as being ‘all in the mind’.”
I would not be surprised if it was quite a lot. If you are interested in this topic, go back to the 1973 (publication date) experiment by Rosenhaan - “On being sane in insane places” and ask if much has changed:
http://www.soterianederland.nl/docs/Being_Sane_in_Insane_Places.pdf
Geoff
One other good place to float a new idea/ search to see if anyone else has come up with it, is TiMS:
spr0g and hcd, you might both want to try this.
Just be prepared for some criticism that is a bit more “blunt”.
Geoff
What I do find surprising and upsetting is that NICE, the people involved in writing the guidelines for treating MS including MS relapses do not recognise anxiety and stress as effecting MS patients health. They have informed me this is because studies have not come up with firm evidence. Also mice do not seem to demyelinate when they get stressed in studies so far. But mice are not humans…
My MS nurse has said to me in an email stress will effect many MS patients. Another MS nurse of mine said relapses triggered by anxiety are very common. My MS neurologists is aware of stress effecting MS patients. But this was not the case when I saw my first registrar who was being supervised by a general neurologist.
So new neurologists are not being trained of this. Some more experienced medical staff are aware of stress effecting MS patients but NICE is not recognising it. Something is very wrong here.
iConquerMS is a fairly new web site apparently we can add experiences and theories about the cause of MS.
I’ve been working on a blog which is almost ready for viewers… its at http://samscaused.blogspot.co.uk/
take a peek and see what you think, im trying to keep it clear, without chit-chat, so be best to do feedback here.
DoctorGeoff. I have been gathering proof of Salicylic interactions as an MS cause, please have a read at http://samscaused.blogspot.co.uk/ .
I would like your opinion. I didn’t explain very clearly on my 1st attempt so hopefully attempt 2 will do better.
At a quick look at the blog - if blog is the right term - followed by a longer look, it seems that all you are doing is repeating yourself. Each item on the menu that works does seem to lead to the same material.
This is just like the Polish guy on the TiMS website about 1`-2 years back who was convinced that MS was caused by bad breath. Every time he came up with a new argument it was actually the same material over and over …
Now, you may or may not be right (and you have made one or two mistakes along the way), but consider this:
It is generally (but not universally) accepted that MS is caused by a fault in the human immune system. Other ideas include:
Diet
Vit D3 deficiency
CCSVI
A displaced 1st vertebrae
A displaced jaw
A diabetic condition/insulin imbalance
An allergic condition
An exposure to heavy metals
Exposure to canine distemper
Physical trauma
Aspartame poisononing
Epstein Barr virus
etc
Now, if any one of these is correct, the remainder are probably wrong. The logical conclusion must be that they are all probably wrong until such time as one of them is actually proven to be correct (when the rest will be wrong).
So, why do you not do as several of us have suggested - offer your idea to the Barts Blog (a real blog where there is reader participation), and to TiMS, and see what response you get there?
Geoff
Thanks DoctorGeoff
I will put it onto the sites you suggested but stage fright told me to run it past few people 1st.
I appreciate your honest review, it does repeat too much.
Next update will be more concise, i’m learning this blog lark on the fly.
Important bit to me is to show how salicylates effect lots of stuff that make MS. If i can explain it clearly then hopefully people will understand me. A total rethink in presentation may help us all.
The bit i have to explain is pt3 “exposed to SA from daily food/drink/drugs/medications/veg/fruit so the SA levels alter eRK function and get to work on demyelination using Nitric Oxide or learn an immune response like “radical hydroxyl’s” or using bad PMA glue (Phorbol Myristate Acetate) for eRK.”
Then add examples clearly to show and explain why it effects myelin so much.
I guess this is the payload of my side-blog - view at Salicylic Acid - MS Cause?: pt3 - How to get MS
to get the links and my waffle and some examples and explanations of erk/PMA/SA etc.
Easy guide to getting Multiple Sclerosis.
Have mother that receives SA (like most do) during life & labour - Then get born
Be born with genes (57 found so far) that favour MS reaction. Nitric Oxide “NO” (MS-Flare up) has a very short half-life so it’ll be overlooked as it naturally occurs in cells and blood. (if we were even looking for raised levels of NO, already found to be the main contributor of demyelination, NO is created by SA’s reaction to stomach acid).
Toxicity depends on dose and size, so to maximise infection, be a little baby that unknowingly is exposed to SA based products (creams, medications, food) for optimum SA exposure. (an infant incomplete immune system could help too, remember breast milk can contain mothers SA/Aspirin).
Be exposed to SA from daily food/drink/drugs/medications/veg/fruit so the SA levels alter eRK function and get to work on demyelination using Nitric Oxide or learn an immune response like “radical hydroxyl’s” or using bad PMA glue (Phorbol Myristate Acetate) for eRK.
Now you are aged about 4 (formed) and MS ready.
Unknowingly spike SA levels through living “normal” life with SA, get diagnosed once SA has caused demylinating symptoms and remember to unwittingly keep your SA levels up.
Believe that climate, vitamin d, genes, unknown environmental factors and fate are the cause MS, keep on with SA exposure.
Research for many years (or find my blog) and propose a pretty obvious theory of SA = MS and wait for a cure (if the penny drops with anyone that can help, may be a little bit political if you currently make mass profit from snake oil).
I will make a better version soon, i’m using the blog tool to form my ideas so mk1 and mk2 are not perfect, mk3 soon.
I know this is an old thread but I found it when googling whether there was a link between ms and veruccas. I’ve been having regular chiropodist treatment since last May for 2 stubborn veruccas. This treatment includes high strength salicylic acid. My symptoms started in June. Coincidence?
I’ve not yet told my chiropodist of my CIS diagnosis as only diagnosed earlier this month. Should I tell him?
Well yes, frankly. Veruccas are common. MS isn’t. Sorry to be boring.
Alison