I just want to be okay again.

Hi everyone,

I’ve lurked on these forums for the last few months, but today I decided to reach out for the first time. I have a lot on my chest, so I apologize for the novel this is going to become. I just don’t know how else to explain everything. I’m also in a bad headspace, and this is going to get dark. I’m sorry for this.

On 11/3/23, I noticed that part of the left side of my face felt off. Not truly numb, but not 100% sensation-wise. I also felt the feeling of a bug crawling through my hair. These sensations only lasted for a few minutes before disappearing, and I shrugged it off thinking I had gotten a bug in my hair from watering the plants at my work. I wish it had ended there, but it didn’t. Instead, the feeling in my face became more persistent, but would still come and go multiple times throughout the day. I made an appointment to see my doctor, who told me I had an ear infection. She gave me some antibiotics and sent me home.

The ear infection healed, but the sensation in my face persisted, and started changing. Moving to different areas of the left side of my face, and varying in it’s intensity of desensitization. After a month of this, I began to get tingling sensations in my fingers, which evolved into tingling of my hands and feet (mainly my left side). I got a brain MRI done in December with and without contrast, and it came back normal (which I am grateful for).

Regardless, the sensations wouldn’t cease. I was taking folic acid for a slight deficiency my GP found in my bloodwork, but nothing was improving. Rather, I began getting worse still. The tingling was more frequent and intense throughout my body, and I was now feeling the strange desensitized sensation on my fingers, feet and left calf/knee in addition to my face. I was referred to an NP at our local hospital’s neurology department in February of this year, and while she didn’t think much of my symptoms, I told her that I was concerned about the possibility of having MS. Along with all of my strange sensational issues (which now included random bouts of nerve pain throughout my body) I had also developed a strange feeling in my left calf. It felt like the feeling you get right before you have a cramp, but the muscle wouldn’t relax. She scheduled me for another brain MRI with/without contrast, and a spinal tap. I had those tests done in early March, and was beginning to feel very silly for all the trouble I was causing since everyone told me that they didn’t think I had MS. I started hoping that I could see normal results and tell myself it was nothing but a few pinched nerves.

The MRI once again came back normal. The spinal tap however was a different story. 11 oligoclonal bands were found in my spinal fluid, with no bands in my serum. I was told this was a positive result, and that it was “possibly indicative of MS”. I started panicking. I had done a lot of research online, and had learned about some of the different types of MS. RRMS was the most common, and most people with it seemed to have an okayish outlook. PPMS however, felt like an entirely new level of suckery that I wouldn’t wish on anybody (there are a lot of scary statistics on the internet, and I can’t forget the stories I read of people whose spouses/partners left them, the physical and emotional pain they go through daily, the mental anguish it causes some people, the constant battle to remain resilient and find joy, etc).

I kept waiting for a big relapse, or for my previous symptoms to improve or go away. But nothing happened. I just continued to battle a barrage of strange neurological symptoms coming and going throughout the day (except my leg, which was becoming weaker and starting to affect how long I could walk/stand for). I’d had a cervical and lumbar MRI with and without contrast in March, which came back normal. I knew that I didn’t fit the current McDonald criteria, so when I was referred to my first neurologist, I figured he would help me create a game plan to narrow down the list of potential causes behind my abnormal csf results.

Instead, he told me in the hallway of his office that I most likely have MS. My heart shattered, and I felt like I’d stepped into the twilight zone. I think I disassociated for the rest of the appointment, because I still don’t remember much of it at all. I walked in ready to get a diagnostic game plan in place, and I left crying my eyes out with a booklet about Kesimpta and the phrase “Only time will tell if it’s RRMS or PPMS”.

An hour after this appointment, I went on vacation (I know it’s weird timing, but the soonest neuro appointment I could get was on the day of a trip I had already planned). I spent the 11 hour drive to my aunt’s wondering how the heck I was going to be okay or have fun. I reached out to the MS forum on Reddit and explained the results of my appointment. I hoped I could find some support or advice, but what I received were comments from people confused about why he had diagnosed me with probable MS and started me on a DMT without evidence of lesions. I had no other information to give them, so instead I made the best of the trip, and decided to get a second opinion from another neuro due to my aunt’s urging.

This time around, I chose to see a neurologist at a university in Indianapolis, and was told by his staff that he was an MS specialist. I didn’t have much hope due to my last encounter with my local neuro, but figured I’d give it a try. My fiance and I saw my new neuro in June, and he seemed bewildered that the previous neuro hadn’t done any protein analysis or cell count in regards to my spinal tap. He told me that it didn’t seem like I had MS, and my current symptoms didn’t seem to point toward anything concrete in particular. That being said, he wanted to do more investigation to see if there were any other causes for my abnormal csf results.

He scheduled me for a thoracic MRI and a different brain MRI to better visualize my facial nerves. Both were with and without contrast. I had both of these done a week ago, and both came back normal. He’s also wanting to test for a variety of other things, such as HIV, lyme, encephalitis, ANA and several others I can’t remember off the top of my head. At this point, I’m no longer sure who to believe. My local neuro has 30+ years of experience, and when I probed him for further information on why he was so confident in his diagnosis, he basically told me it was based on my csf results. My new neuro is under 40, so I’m not sure how experienced he is, but he seems to be more interested in trying to rule out everything else before suggesting MS.

While some of my symptoms have come and gone, others still come and go throughout the day. I still have my strange facial sensations, and the feeling in my calf is pretty constant (although over the last week my left knee is now feeling strange instead of my calf). I take amitriptyline now, which stopped the tingling/numbness of my extremities for two months, but it’s recently started creeping back again in the evenings. I also have nerve pain less often, but that’s been replaced with bowel issues (like having watery stools for 1.5 months straight) and random muscle twitches/spasms throughout my body, and the right side of my face. I’m also experiencing more pain in my legs, like deep aching and almost cramp-like feelings. My left achilles tendon also has a lump on it now, and it’s painful to walk on after a certain point. I don’t mean to complain, I’m just trying to include any potentially connected symptoms. I had none of these issues 8 months ago.

I can’t help but be afraid. I turned 26 recently, and I haven’t thought about the future for months. I can’t look ahead. My mind leads me to the same scenario every time, and it involves me slowly losing everything that I love about myself, everything I love to do and watching everyone I love live their lives while I stay rooted here in this mess of a body. I’ve fought through so much pain, abuse, abandonment, neglect and trauma from so many people in my family and life. The only things that kept me from ending it all were the hopes that when I grew up, I would be able to create a life that I loved, and find or make my own family who could love me the way I always dreamed of being loved. Even if I couldn’t do those things, I took comfort in the fact that I would at least always know how to take care of myself even if I had no one else to lean on.

This hellish limbo has taken these hopes away, and I don’t know how to get them back. I don’t know how to cope with this, and my therapists can only help so much. Every day I worry about the future and my place in it. Some days I’m able to live in the moment, but it only takes one small reminder and I’m right back in the pit. I thought things would get easier once I could make a life for myself. I was wrong. Excuse my language, but fuck the universe.

I’m sorry, I know I’m throwing a pity party. I know many people have it worse than I do. I try to remember this every day, but sometimes the fear and despair and loneliness of this whole thing becomes too much to bear. I’m too afraid to hope that I’ll be able to live a long and happy life. The only thing I know is that every time I’ve tried to hope for the best, the worst comes to pass. Why would this time be any different?

My spirit is broken, and I just want to be okay again.

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Sorry, it’s too long, so I’ve not read it properly.

Tough love: you really need to dig yourself out of this hole before the mindset takes hold.

Everyone here is in largely the same boat as you. We’re all concentrating on getting through our respective days, being the best version of ourselves. MS is horrible but for most people, it’s a slow burner and we’re getting on with our lives, making adjustments as we go along. Your life isn’t over.

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There’s much to be said for looking the beast (MS) straight in the eye. There are those who say it’s a necessary step on the way to acknowledging the challenges preliminary to turning to the future with courage. And sometimes a bit of catastrophic thinking has its place in that process, but please try not to spend too long down there. It might be part of your adjustment process right now, but thinking the worst carries no magic powers: it doesn’t make you feel better, and it doesn’t persuade the fates to let you off the hook either, so if you’re embracing that sort of magical thinking, please let it go. I hope that you start to feel better about things soon.

Hi There and sorry to hear that you are feeling so low and confused.

Can I urge that you try to relax a little and stop your mind and emotions from rushing ahead to worst case scenarios? You don’t yet know if you have MS or if something else has caused the bands in the spinal fluid.

Try relaxation techniques, mindfulness and meditation ( and see later about MS and relaxation).

Are you still on the Kesimpta prescribed by your first neurologist?

It’s no bad thing that one of the neurologists is trying to identify any other causes for your symptoms. So, just be patient for a while!

If it turns out that you have MS then there are good reasons to be optimistic these days. I was diagnosed with RRMS some 18-19 years ago and in general I’m not too bad. I carried on working, got married and generally carried on with life. I can walk - admittedly I struggle after 10-15 minutes but otherwise I’m not too bad at all.

When I was diagnosed there were just a couple of disease modifying treatments around and any notion of remyelination treatments was just a pipe dream. There is now a good range of more effective treatments and several promising lines of research on remyelination.

So, be patient for a while, try to relax and also follow the general advice with regards to MS. If nothing else, it will keep you fit and healthy : reduce your consumption of saturated fats, increase antioxidants and unsaturated fats, exercise, and Vitmin D, and practice something like Mindfulness to reduce anxiety and stress.

In general , please don’t panic or get stressed too much! A) it won’t do much good for your general health and B) it most definitely isn’t good for MS.

Internet searches always bring up the opposite ends of the spectrum - its either all doom, gloom & despair, or, stories or inspirational deeds, achievements and happiness against the odds. Rarely ever do you get the stories of people just going about their lives, working, negotiating relationships, children, holidays, getting on with the day to day normality of life which many, many people with MS do.

As others have said, please look into/try mindfulness meditation, a diagnosis of MS can be a bit of a shocker. Your local Neuro seems certain you have MS, and is taking the lets hit it hard now to prevent it getting any worse route; your second opinion Neuro is going down the lets rule out everything else and wait and see what happens route. And you are stuck in the middle.

My MS apparently began when I was in my teens, but wasn’t diagnosed until I was 54, all those random bouts of falling over fresh air on a clear day; sleeping for 14 hours at a time; randomly dropping stuff - all put down to being clumsy, too many late nights, butter fingers - you name it. My Neuro was in the lets wait and see what happens camp - didn’t help that my MRIs of brain and spine were clear apart from 3 lesions in my brain that did not connect to any of the symptoms I was having; spinal tap was positive; that remained the way for nearly 9 years before the lesions in my spine got big enough to be picked up on the MRI - and I was dx with MS.

So, having had MS for close on 40 years now - I went to college, got a job, still work full time, had relationships, got married (30 years and counting), continue to travel, practice Taekwon-do, am still allowed to drive although the next car will be an automatic and not a manual/shift gear. Yes, I have to take things steadier than I used to, but I can live with that.

You (may) have MS, it does not have you. You will find out who your true friends are, that is a certainty, but those who are true friends will be the best people you will ever know; there will be times when people will utterly infuriate you by ‘just trying to help’ (been there, got the t-shirt); there will be times when you will cry your heart out for what is lost/could have been, but there will also be times when you overcome and are stronger and more able than you could ever imagine.

Any time you need to vent - this is the place. We’ve been there - we understand the emotions.

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Hello! Yeah I wasn’t feeling the best on Friday. I’m a bit better today, but still working through it all.

I keep trying to remind myself that no one seems to know for certain whether it’s MS or not. There are times where I’d wished I could’ve been a more textbook presentation, but I think I’m just tired of being stuck in limbo more than anything.

I’ll put more time and effort into practicing relaxation and mindfulness techniques! I’ve always focused my energy and time towards helping others, so I feel like a complete newbie at showing myself that same compassion and care.

I haven’t started Kesimpta yet, because I’m still unsure that I’ll be able to afford it. I’m not sure my insurance will cover it without a definite diagnosis, and I’m also unsure if the medicine would effect the results of any test I’d need to do for the second opinion I’m getting.

I’m definitely learning about patience through all of this! I’ve never been a patient person, so that’s been a learning curve.

I would love to be able to laugh at this part of my life one day. That’s the main hope I’m carrying right now. That life won’t be so bad even if my mind’s worst case scenario comes true. I feel cursed sometimes, because every time I’ve tried to be optimistic about a situation, life somehow found a way to make things unbearably difficult and mentally draining to go through. The idea of something being hard as hell and also unrelenting is something I’ve never been able to cope with well.

Would you happen to have any advice on how to continue to have hope? I know how important and powerful hope can be, and I would love to work on becoming better at hoping for a positive life. My fiancé is also really great at reminding me that everything will be okay regardless of what happens to my body. I would love to be able to share that hope with him more often.

I’ll do my best to take care of myself both physically and mentally, and keep your suggestions in mind. Thank you for the kind advice!

Thank you for reminding me that expecting the worst won’t make me feel any better regardless of the outcome! I’m getting better at reminding myself of this, and there are times where I’m able to push the negative thoughts out of my mind and focus on the present.

Would you happen to have any advice on how to avoid or redirect catastrophic thoughts? I’d like to still be able to look forward to things without my first thought being whether or not I’ll be able to participate in, or enjoy them fully. If you have any suggestions, I’d love to hear them! Thank you again for the helpful advice, and hopefully I’ll be able to improve my attitude moving forward!

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It’s okay, in retrospect I did write a lot. Thank you for the reminder and tough love. Sometimes it’s easy to lose myself in my own mind and thoughts, and it prevents me from having a clear perspective on things.

The not knowing has admittedly been wreaking havoc on my mental state. I’m trying to work through things in therapy right now, but a lot of the negative feelings and beliefs I have stem from childhood, so it’s taking a while to unpack everything.

Would you happen to have any advice for viewing and thinking of the future in a positive light? I’m trying to be curious about it instead of fearful, but I’m not the best at it. I’m glad to hear that many people with MS are just trying to live life like everyone else. I don’t want to be stuck where I am currently, because I know it isn’t helping anything. Thank you for reminding me that life will still go on, and there is still hope to be had to lead a fulfilling life!

The way I look at it is always is that “it’s the best time ever to have MS ever in history”.

That might sound glib but for example I’m one of the earliest to get Ocrevus for PPMS. As in a few years ago.

Before that was basically nothing to slow PPMS. So that also means older information might be out of date very quickly (look at the date on this for example https://www.mssociety.org.uk/research/latest-research/latest-research-news-and-blogs/more-evidence-about-role-ebv-infection-development-ms). Also there are new treatments being tested right now (all the time).

So please be hopefully and trust your professionals first not the internet (especially idiots like me :slight_smile: ).

I’m learning all the time too (you’ve just found out of course it’s scary) but trust my body, my symptoms and most importantly the professionals way more than Dr Google. :slight_smile:

All the very best,
Andrew

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I think we have all been through that ‘in limbo’ period. I now can’t remember where I was reading about ‘catastrophising’ - perhaps part of an online ‘mindfulness’ course. In terms of feeling positive/ hopeful, have a look at the website and books of ‘Overcoming MS’. It’s not offering a cure but does advise on diet, mindfulness, exercise. It’s quite a positive book/ website prepared by an Australian professor of medicine who has MS.

In terms of continuing to have hope. I’ve no great insights there but every 5 years or more I get a large sheet of paper, draw a small circle in the middle and then draw lines/ spokes radiating out, one spoke for each aspect of my life: health, love life, friendships, family and whatever is important to you personally. At the end of the spoke I write down what I would like to do about friends, family or whatever. Somehow going through the process of thinking about and writing down the important things gives structure, a frame work and focus to my life and stops the mind from wandering too much.

Anyway, have patience, you will get a diagnosis of one thing or another and MS isn’t like an infectious disease that’s going to run riot while you wait for a diagnosis

If I told my husband that someone was asking ME this, he would think it very funny indeed. I have no answers (for me or for you) except that sometimes you just have to tough it out while you hang on to that little voice in your head that tells you it’s going to be OK. Because it probably is, even if OK is defined slightly differently to the way you expected.

You bring up a good point! I know that scouring the internet for answers is possibly the worst thing I can do, and I’ve been doing my best to steer clear of it. I wish I had never done any research to be honest. It would be much easier to live in ignorance right now, but what’s done is done.

Would you happen to have any advice for how to avoid giving into the temptation of trying to do my own research? I struggle with it a lot, and at times it almost feels like a compulsion. My mind is constantly wanting reassurance that things are going to be okay, but no amount of encouragement seems to help. My brain is wanting facts and questions that I don’t have answers to. Everyone around me keeps telling me that everything will be okay, but the what ifs never stop.

I’m so sorry that it took so long to get your diagnosis! I feel like I’m going crazy waiting through the diagnostic process right now. I couldn’t imagine spending years with the uncertainty that comes from not knowing. That being said, I’m very happy to hear that you’ve still been able to live your life for the most part!

If you wouldn’t mind, do you have any advice on navigating a relationship/friendships with MS or a similar chronic condition? My fiancé has been an absolute saint throughout this process, and I’m sincerely grateful for him every day. However, we didn’t always have the healthy habits/communication that we do, and he’s hurt me and broken my trust before.

Trying to trust him again was hard enough before any of this happened, but now it feels impossible for me to fully accept that he’s changed for the better. The hardest what if to shake is the nagging feeling that he’ll leave if things get hard for us, or hard for me physically/mentally. I have severe trust issues from my parents and past partners. I suppose I don’t have a very large support system either, and I’m not sure how to start building one.

Thank you for being so kind. I’ve been wanting to reach out to online communities for a while now, and I’m glad I was able to see your advice! Hopefully the next time I need to vent, I’ll be in a better headspace to do so. Thanks again!

It is difficult to avoid being sucked down the rabbit hole of MS ‘information’ on the internet, especially in the early days. You could try creating a list of stuff that has to get done - housework (broken down room by room), cooking, laundry, yard work, shopping, work, washing the car, taking the dog for a walk , redecorating, planning a trip/event etc. etc. To start with, you have to complete at least 5 things off the list before you can look at 1 MS related hit. Once you’ve read that hit, you have to complete another 5 items from your must do list before you can look at the next, and so on; then extend it to 10 things of the list; 15 things; 20 things and so on. Hopefully, grounding yourself in normal everyday stuff will help you get control of the urge to look up everything MS related on the net.

Relationships are a tough one. You have to be honest with yourself, he needs to be honest with himself, and you need to work on being honest with each other for good and bad - We’ve been married 30 years and counting, they haven’t all been sunshine and flowers and there have been some seriously rough patches, but we have been honest with ourselves and each other.

As for building a support system - find out if there is an MS Group in your area, that could be a good starting point. If there is something/a hobby you enjoy doing, you could look at meeting up with like minded people - get out and meet people.

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